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		<title>By: How is the bromination of alkenes best represented? &#171; Henry Rzepa</title>
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		<dc:creator>How is the bromination of alkenes best represented? &#171; Henry Rzepa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2012 20:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] how we got to our present understanding of chemistry. Thus curly arrow mechanistic notation can be traced back to around 1924, with style that bifurcated into two common types used nowadays (on which I [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: The first curly arrows. The dénouement . &#171; Henry Rzepa</title>
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		<dc:creator>The first curly arrows. The dénouement . &#171; Henry Rzepa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 07:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Robinson was trying to explain why the nitroso group appears to be an o/p director of aromatic electrophilic [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Henry Rzepa</title>
		<link>http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/?p=7234&#038;cpage=1#comment-10042</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Rzepa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 09:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am adding here another interesting diagram, this time dating from 1925 in another article published by &lt;a href=&quot;http://dx.doi.org/10.1039/CT9252701604&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Armit and Robinson&lt;/a&gt;. It reinforces the fact that prior to H&#252;ckel in 1929, there was insufficient understanding of the difference between &#960; and &#963;-electrons. 

&lt;img width=&quot;400&quot; src=&quot;http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/robinson-naphthalene0.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;Valence isomerism&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

The use of the word &lt;i&gt;disruption&lt;/i&gt; reminds of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/?p=5411&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Henry Armstrong&#039;s use of the same word&lt;/a&gt;, in more or less the same context, in 1890, 35 years earlier (for the context, replace Armstrong&#039;s use of the words &lt;i&gt;cycle of affinity&lt;/i&gt;, by  Robinson&#039;s use of the word &lt;i&gt;electrons&lt;/i&gt;). It seems quite probable that Robinson and Armstrong met, since they were both alive at this period. 

&lt;img width=&quot;400&quot; src=&quot;http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/wheland+fate.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;Valence isomerism&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;

Anyway, my point here is that Robinson, entranced by the aromatic sextet he has (re?)discovered, was determined that one cannot have too much of a good thing, and creates &lt;b&gt;two&lt;/b&gt; sextets in naphthalene. The comments about borrowing two (what we now know as &#963;) electrons from the central C-C bond is (in 1925) no difficulty. I suppose perhaps we should instead give Robinson credit for inventing the &lt;i&gt;homo-aromatic&lt;/i&gt; bond? At any rate, posterity has judged Armstrong&#039;s 1990 representations of the polycyclic aromatics as having survived extremely well, whereas Robinson&#039;s has not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am adding here another interesting diagram, this time dating from 1925 in another article published by <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1039/CT9252701604" rel="nofollow">Armit and Robinson</a><img src="http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/wp-content/plugins/zlinks/imgs/mini_rdf.gif" border="0" style="cursor: pointer; padding:0px 0px 0px 1px; margin:0px;" onmouseover="assignPopup(this, 'http://dx.doi.org/10.1039/CT9252701604', 'http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/wp-content/plugins/zlinks/');" alt="" />. It reinforces the fact that prior to H&uuml;ckel in 1929, there was insufficient understanding of the difference between &pi; and &sigma;-electrons. </p>
<p><img width="400" src="http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/robinson-naphthalene0.jpg" alt="Valence isomerism" /></p>
<p>The use of the word <i>disruption</i> reminds of <a href="http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/?p=5411" rel="nofollow">Henry Armstrong&#8217;s use of the same word</a><img src="http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/wp-content/plugins/zlinks/imgs/mini_rdf.gif" border="0" style="cursor: pointer; padding:0px 0px 0px 1px; margin:0px;" onmouseover="assignPopup(this, 'http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/?p=5411', 'http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/wp-content/plugins/zlinks/');" alt="" />, in more or less the same context, in 1890, 35 years earlier (for the context, replace Armstrong&#8217;s use of the words <i>cycle of affinity</i>, by  Robinson&#8217;s use of the word <i>electrons</i>). It seems quite probable that Robinson and Armstrong met, since they were both alive at this period. </p>
<p><img width="400" src="http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/wheland+fate.jpg" alt="Valence isomerism" /></p>
<p>Anyway, my point here is that Robinson, entranced by the aromatic sextet he has (re?)discovered, was determined that one cannot have too much of a good thing, and creates <b>two</b> sextets in naphthalene. The comments about borrowing two (what we now know as &sigma;) electrons from the central C-C bond is (in 1925) no difficulty. I suppose perhaps we should instead give Robinson credit for inventing the <i>homo-aromatic</i> bond? At any rate, posterity has judged Armstrong&#8217;s 1990 representations of the polycyclic aromatics as having survived extremely well, whereas Robinson&#8217;s has not.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Rzepa</title>
		<link>http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/?p=7234&#038;cpage=1#comment-10041</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Rzepa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 06:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am going to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/?p=7267&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;continue the discussion&lt;/a&gt; above in a separate post, because the limitations of  Wordpress do not allow me to embed objects in the text here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am going to <a href="http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/?p=7267" rel="nofollow">continue the discussion</a><img src="http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/wp-content/plugins/zlinks/imgs/mini_rdf.gif" border="0" style="cursor: pointer; padding:0px 0px 0px 1px; margin:0px;" onmouseover="assignPopup(this, 'http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/?p=7267', 'http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/wp-content/plugins/zlinks/');" alt="" /> above in a separate post, because the limitations of  WordPress do not allow me to embed objects in the text here.</p>
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		<title>By: The first curly arrows&#8230;lead to this? &#171; Henry Rzepa</title>
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		<dc:creator>The first curly arrows&#8230;lead to this? &#171; Henry Rzepa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] did I imagine, when I discovered the original example of using curly arrows to express mechanism, that the molecule described there [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Henry Rzepa</title>
		<link>http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/?p=7234&#038;cpage=1#comment-10033</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry Rzepa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Firstly, let me correct the diagram I drew (thanks Igor for pointing this one out). What  I drew had what we call a resonance arrow (a double head at each end). This is taken to mean that only the electrons can reorganise, but that the nuclei must not move as well.  So the formally correct representation is as follows&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;img width=&quot;400&quot; src=&quot;http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/robinson1.svg&quot; alt=&quot;Valence isomerism&quot; /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
and that the correct relationship between the two structures is as &lt;b&gt;valence bond isomers&lt;/b&gt; (another example might be the &lt;a href=&quot;http://dx.doi.org/10.1039/P29920001951&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;two bond shift isomers of cyclo-octatetraene&lt;/a&gt;). 

And something that we have access to, but was not even a twinkle in  Robinson&#039;s eye is high level solutions of Schroedinger&#039;s equation, which addresses the point Igor makes above. This will give an answer as to what sort of species the structure on the right actually is. It could be a stable valence bond isomer of nitrosobenzene, or it could be a transition state interconverting two bent forms. I will comment on the results of this shortly.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Firstly, let me correct the diagram I drew (thanks Igor for pointing this one out). What  I drew had what we call a resonance arrow (a double head at each end). This is taken to mean that only the electrons can reorganise, but that the nuclei must not move as well.  So the formally correct representation is as follows<br />
<img width="400" src="http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/robinson1.svg" alt="Valence isomerism" /><br />
and that the correct relationship between the two structures is as <b>valence bond isomers</b> (another example might be the <a href="http://dx.doi.org/10.1039/P29920001951" rel="nofollow">two bond shift isomers of cyclo-octatetraene</a><img src="http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/wp-content/plugins/zlinks/imgs/mini_rdf.gif" border="0" style="cursor: pointer; padding:0px 0px 0px 1px; margin:0px;" onmouseover="assignPopup(this, 'http://dx.doi.org/10.1039/P29920001951', 'http://www.ch.imperial.ac.uk/rzepa/blog/wp-content/plugins/zlinks/');" alt="" />). </p>
<p>And something that we have access to, but was not even a twinkle in  Robinson&#8217;s eye is high level solutions of Schroedinger&#8217;s equation, which addresses the point Igor makes above. This will give an answer as to what sort of species the structure on the right actually is. It could be a stable valence bond isomer of nitrosobenzene, or it could be a transition state interconverting two bent forms. I will comment on the results of this shortly.</p>
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		<title>By: Igor Alabugin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Igor Alabugin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A very interesting example, Henry! 
As you point out, it&#039;s not the starting material structure that matters but the transition state (or the cation which should approximate the TS quite well). When forced to interact with an empty p-orbital of a carbocation, even the N=O pi-bond should behave as a donor.  Another possibility is that nitroso group would behave as a chameleon: act as a pi-acceptor in the ground state but rotate 90 degrees (and rehybridize) to become an n-donor in the transition state. It would be interesting to check this with a computation!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very interesting example, Henry!<br />
As you point out, it&#8217;s not the starting material structure that matters but the transition state (or the cation which should approximate the TS quite well). When forced to interact with an empty p-orbital of a carbocation, even the N=O pi-bond should behave as a donor.  Another possibility is that nitroso group would behave as a chameleon: act as a pi-acceptor in the ground state but rotate 90 degrees (and rehybridize) to become an n-donor in the transition state. It would be interesting to check this with a computation!</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Rzepa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Rzepa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, that is an alternative source of electrons, but as you say leaving a  +ve charge on the oxygen.  I suspect even in 1924 this was probably considered unlikely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that is an alternative source of electrons, but as you say leaving a  +ve charge on the oxygen.  I suspect even in 1924 this was probably considered unlikely.</p>
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		<title>By: David McKay</title>
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		<dc:creator>David McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 14:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Henry,
Thanks for this nice historical perspective on mechanistic chemistry.
Thinking about how the o/p directing effect; wouldn&#039;t it be possible to account for this from the starting material if the first arrow was drawn from the N=O double bond, leaving a positive charge on the oxygen? Or perhaps it is unlikely to have a positively charged oxygen next to a nitrogen? 
Regards,
David]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Henry,<br />
Thanks for this nice historical perspective on mechanistic chemistry.<br />
Thinking about how the o/p directing effect; wouldn&#8217;t it be possible to account for this from the starting material if the first arrow was drawn from the N=O double bond, leaving a positive charge on the oxygen? Or perhaps it is unlikely to have a positively charged oxygen next to a nitrogen?<br />
Regards,<br />
David</p>
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